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Dear Maureen Dowd,

STFU about Hillary already. Find something constructive to say about something. Anything. Anywhere. Being a female NY Times columnist does not mean you have to tear down every woman who becomes a public figure as your personal vision quest.

That is all.


Date: 2008-01-09 12:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
i agree. i've read some of her recent op-eds (including today's) about Hillary, and she's sounding more and more catty and bitchy. surely stereotypes women should be trying to get away from, rather than playing into the deep-rooted sexism that Gloria Steinem was talking about yesterday.

Date: 2008-01-09 01:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
And it's not just Hillary! I can't remember a single instance of Maureen Dowd saying something insightful about a female public figure -- just a lot of cattiness. A lot.

Date: 2008-01-09 01:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Steinem's article was really good I thought.

Date: 2008-01-09 02:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
It was! I've been in discussions about it in various places. Why can't SHE be the regular Times columnist? Wouldn't that make more sense?

Date: 2008-01-09 02:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I guess, though, given her affiliations to other publications, no, it wouldn't.

Date: 2008-01-09 01:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I was talking to David about Hillary and the press yesterday. The real problem is that all the press hate her and we are getting jilted coverage out of the deal. There was an article written about her visit to the press bus that's following her on the campaign trail which was really telling. She came on the bus bearing goodies and coffee and everyone shut up and didn't say a word to her. No one said anything. Not one of the "reporters" even tried to ask her a question. It's disgraceful. Get over your stupid high school clique problems and do your job. Is that to much to ask?

I have some pent up irritation on this matter. Sorry.:)

Date: 2008-01-09 02:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
It makes me sick to think about it. She's intelligent -- I mean, one of the most intelligent people out there -- driven, dedicated, even visionary. I don't love all her positions on things, but jesus. People need to get over her being a woman. And they need to stop acting like being a driven, determined, fiercely intelligent person makes you LESS of a woman.

Date: 2008-01-09 02:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I am so glad you said that. It was exactly what I was thinking. Now I think I should go send a comment to them too.

Date: 2008-01-09 03:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I have been considering same. But not to her -- I consider Ms. Dowd a lost cause. To the NY Times to get us a better female political commentator.

Date: 2008-01-09 02:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
The hatred that some folks feel for her as always baffled me. I've looked, really looked (as far back as when her husband first entered the white house) and tried to figure it out.

I'm not really one to toot this sort of horn often, but I really feel it's some factor of her being an aggressive, outspoken 'uppity' woman.

I've cornered people before on this issue, trying to get them to articulate specifics, and I get some noise about white water, and sometimes tin hat stuff, but mostly it's about feelings - not facts. They hate her because they're already made up their minds to hate her and go out and find any reason to support that feeling.

Date: 2008-01-09 03:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Absolutely it's about her being an 'uppity' woman. People feel threatened and go all kinds of crazy places. Back when she was first lady I remember knowing, catty remarks fro coworkers about how she was really gay. THESE WERE NOT GENERALLY HOMOPHOBES (though obviously somewhat). It just somehow, though, made her 'other' and 'not real' enough for them. WTF? And I was working for a WOMEN'S ORGANIZATION for chrissakes.

Date: 2008-01-09 04:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I've always felt that the accusations of being gay were an attack on her being a woman, a punishment if you will, for daring to 'step out of her place' and 'acting like a man'.

It's the old, "If you're aggressive and a man, you're ambitious and a 'go-getter'. But if you're a woman, you're shrill and a bitch."

Date: 2008-01-10 02:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Probably more like being married to an obvious womanizer and apparently not caring.

And the woman's organization you worked for, D, was traditionalist and conventional -- not the most radical or gay-activist-oriented organization out there.

Date: 2008-01-09 04:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Maureen Dowd seems fairly egalitarian about finding negative things to say about pretty much everyone on both sides of the aisle. Perhaps constructive commentary isn't in her job description?

Date: 2008-01-09 05:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
True! Though I've noticed more of her swipes vs. women than men -- perhaps I was not paying sufficient attention to keep score.

Date: 2008-01-09 04:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I haven't been reading Dowd's stuff, so I can't comment on that, though I did really appreciate Steinam's piece. I just wanted to say that I really don't like Hillary and it has nothing to do with what kind of woman she is. It has to do with her being part of a major effort to move the Democratic Party to the right on a number of issues. This is the same reason I don't like Bill. The both represent a trend that makes me very leery of the leadership of the Democratic Party. I'd love to see a woman president, just not this woman.

Date: 2008-01-09 05:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Yes, this is true! And great! Now why can't the commentary about Hillary focus on these issues rather than whether she's an orchestrated cyborg? What is rankling me is this idea that the press and especially Maureen Dowd feel this need to tear at her as the 'wrong' sort of woman and attack her femininity.

Date: 2008-01-09 09:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
-walks in-
-looks around cautiously-
-quietly slinks out-

Date: 2008-01-09 09:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I am not saying I love Hillary. I am not even exactly sure who I am voting for yet.

I'm just saying Ms. Dowd should change the record.


Date: 2008-01-10 12:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
-opens mouth-
-closes mouth-
-shakes head-
-walks away-

Date: 2008-01-10 12:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
No. No. Now you must spill it.

Date: 2008-01-10 02:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
He's just realized he's in a gender minority and had better behave in a self-preservatory (?*headache - can't think of a better word*?) way.

Date: 2008-01-09 11:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
as a resident and citizen north of the 49 i say this:

i consider myself more democrat (liberal) than republican (conservative), but it's more important to look at things on a case-by-case basis. that said, i haven't been following the primaries and issues/stands closely.

i like obabma and i like hillary. they're bright, interesting and not george w. and his ilk.

i think hillary is being held accountable for her keeping her mouth shut about bill's infidelities, for the loud rumours about being a lesbian, for being a woman and for supporting same-sex marriage.

that another woman is taking her to task (and i haven't read any of dowd's pieces) doesn't surprise me. would things be different if dowd was a man and saying what she's been saying?

just wondering.

Date: 2008-01-10 12:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Would that all of this were so. But no.

Hillary does not support gay marriage. None of the mainstream candidates can. It sucks. Big time.

Maureen Dowd isn't taking her to task. She's writing catty screeds.

Let us look at the headline that set me off: "Can Hillary Cry Her Way Back to the White House?" Dowd tries to be oh-so-witty and comes off as oh-so-catty. It's not just about Hillary, though. She's like this with most women she writes about.

This was because the woman dared to show emotion in public the other day.

And nobody is yelling about her keeping her mouth shut, etc. They are just busy accusing her of being an automaton or a cyborg. It's juvenile, and beneath the dignity -- well, it SHOULD BE beneath the dignity -- of major news organizations to participate in it.

Date: 2008-01-10 01:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
i thought hillary was supportive of same-sex marriage.

just goes to show ya that this canuck doesn't know much 'bout the u.s. political races.....probably 'cause our politicians are so mind boggling boring and borderline ASSHATS, minus jack layton (but he's a socialist!), that i'm off politics.

Date: 2008-01-10 01:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
She is for civil unions. But she supported DOMA (as did her husband). No mainstream presidential candidate in the US can come out pro-gay-marriage and make it to the big seat.

Date: 2008-01-10 01:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
The so-called "Defense of Marriage Act" from the mid-90s which Clinton signed. It basically established that SHOULD any state allow same-sex marriages (which Mass now does), no other state could be REQUIRED to recognize those marriages-- which many do not (some do).

Date: 2008-01-10 02:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
interesting. allowing same-sex marriages but giving other states an out.

Date: 2008-01-10 02:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
There are plenty of people who want same-sex marriage outlawed on a national level. I don't think they have a constitutional leg to stand on, but I'm sure they could construe one, and our current Supreme Court, alas, would let them.

We are so fucked.

Date: 2008-01-10 02:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
it's okay, 'cause i was thinking today that we're all going to hell in a hand-basket. FRANKLY, i'm psyched for it. enjoy life to the fullest and then be REALLY busy hanging out with your friends, who did likewise, for eternity!


long live neil young.


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